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Carl wood and I'm still surprised by how

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telepathy and other side research it's

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lack of any sort of deep spirituality

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meditate as much as you want if you can

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our society within the system and the

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and family that we think have evolved

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beyond the basics and that's saying

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something but here to say a lot more

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blow open the doors of perception and

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get those rusty mental wheels turnin is

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returning guest Jim Elvidge Jim was kind

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enough to join me all the way back in

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2013 4 th C's 80th show and again for a

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hundredth episode special to talk about

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the very interesting research on reality

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that he did in his book the universe

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solved and now we sit down to talk about

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his latest book a follow-up of sorts

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called digital consciousness a

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transformative vision in it he lays out

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all the details for the things he's

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decoded under reality's hood and seeks

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to answer all the big questions why are

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we here what's the deal with death

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dreaming and drug trips what's behind

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paranormal experiences and how do we

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explain the Mandela effect if you don't

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trade with years of research into

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consciousness quantum mechanics Eastern

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philosophy information theory and

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artificial intelligence which puts him

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knows the things so let's unpack

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Pandora's box the universe solver and

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decoder of digital consciousness Jim my

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my gosh thank you so much Greg really

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nice intro and you know I'm kind of

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like connecting the dots and you know I

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it awesome to be on your show again you

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know always love being here thank you

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this latest book honestly I was glad to

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see you wrote it but I saw digital

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consciousness and thought okay I get it

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simulation Theory holographic universe

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the VR analogy of life and it took me a

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little while to really crack it open but

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and it's going on my shelf next to dr.

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Dean Radin 'he's magic is real because

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these strange aspects and features of

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consciousness you include the Russell

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stranger qualities of life are where the

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clues really are you learn the

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parameters of something by reflecting on

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the anomalous things on the edges not

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the mundane qualities in the middle and

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if a person's theory of everything just

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dismisses those aspects then it doesn't

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work and I'm sure you'd agree with that

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right yeah absolutely I think all of the

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interesting things are on the edges in

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your intro you talked about how we don't

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have time to meditate you know our

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culture doesn't make it easy as so true

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we're in this cycle of you know work and

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entertainment and sleep and there's not

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much time for anything else myself I

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used to meditate and I got pretty good

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at it I got to the point where I could

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have some out-of-body experiences I

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could just close my eyes start

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meditating and feel myself slip into a

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different space and I lost it I lost it

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over the last few years just because of

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you know being busy and I really want to

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get back into that because that is where

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the interesting stuff is that's where

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the clues are and you know it's so easy

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to kind of stay in the mainstream

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believe with the see and hear and read

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but then when you get on the edge like

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you said good stuff that just doesn't

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fit and it's that stuff that I think is

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the clues to what it's all about

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indeed and it seems that you've gone

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deeper than most even if you lost it I

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mean even a sliver is further than a lot

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of us get and I know you've dealt with

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the maybe unintended ideas that digital

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consciousness invokes it sounds kind of

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cold and mechanical and I almost thought

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you

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be writing about the trans humanistic

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goal of transferring consciousness to a

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hard drive and thankfully it's not that

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at all but I'm sure I'm not the first

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one to think that and let's correct that

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notion and maybe you can flesh out some

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of the groundwork we need to understand

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this overall perspective and why you

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still find digital to be the best term

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despite it being a bit problematic yeah

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good points I mean really coming up with

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the name for the book the first book you

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never saw I mean it's kind of hard to

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beat that okay yeah and I didn't want to

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just be universal to or a return of

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universe solved or something like that

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you know and the two key areas of the

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research that I've done and the ideas

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that lead to some of these conclusions

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are the nature of reality

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you know our parent reality is it

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digital or is it continuous or analog

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and then the nature of consciousness and

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so those two things together and I do

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believe probably deep down our parent

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reality at least is digital and I

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believe that the underlying reality

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probably is as well but every word that

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we use comes with so much baggage in so

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much connotation you say the word God

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people immediately visualize you know

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white beard you say the word digital and

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people immediately think of laptops and

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iPhones and cold calculating

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computational systems but it doesn't

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have to be that way you know movies

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pictures of flowers you know art that's

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been reproduced can evoke beautiful

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emotions and people even though they've

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been digitized and we're talking about

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layers beneath our apparent awareness

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that's so far down you know in other

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words we're dealing with atoms and

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things like that and subatomic particles

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and then oh I don't know maybe strings

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down than that it appears to me that the

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you know fundamental construct of

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reality is information and information

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that is digital so but it doesn't change

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anything in terms of how warm our

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reality seems to be it's just the way

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that it's

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presented to us and then your

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consciousness again you know so much has

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consciousness emanating from the brain

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reality most likely there's much more to

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it than the apparent you know

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movement what some exceptions are

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managers some people who are allowing

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actually materialists and they think

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that the only way to attain immortality

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is to upload your consciousness to

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something that lives longer than organic

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humans do and I don't think that's true

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at all I think we're already immortal

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whole premise behind H+ and life

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extension and transhumanism is

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questionable to make hmm

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yes and you can simply just look at all

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digital media movies television video

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games we see a final product but we know

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that it comes from somewhere else and

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data its true nature is not what we're

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firings that are effectively binary in a

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way did this neuron fire or this synapse

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fire did it not fire you know and what's

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the network of patterns that go on there

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call it something else call it

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information based or call it you know

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non-continuous or something like that so

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consciousness in terms of like uploading

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that our consciousness is separate from

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the results of that those two ideas

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actually turn out to be pretty

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astounding indeed and you kind of just

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touched on a few of them but in the book

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you have four tenants or principles of

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digital consciousness in this overall

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theory can you tell us about those how

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do they break down sure so the first one

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is that consciousness is fundamental in

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primary again like we talked about

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before the use of words when people say

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consciousness they think oh with when

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I'm awake

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you know I'm unconscious when I'm asleep

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I'm talking about something different

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and it's not even self awareness

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it's the deeper sea of existence that we

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have so consciousness is sort of

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fundamental to that and it's not just an

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artifact of the complexity of the brain

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nobody can figure out how to make

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something so complex that is suddenly

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become self aware and conscious I don't

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believe that it can be done I think it's

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possible that we may at some point say

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okay this silicon-based

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construct here is complex enough to to

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serve as a vehicle for my consciousness

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and if I have a way to you know occupy

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that that's cool but it's still you know

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the free will of my consciousness to

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make that decision it's not that it will

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come automatically out of the complexity

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of that system so I think it's

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fundamental to the universe and you know

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again the universe is another word we

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think of universe is what we see when we

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look out in the sky but I'm when I say

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universe I mean all that there is I mean

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the deeper underlying reality plus this

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probably virtual reality that we live in

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so it's fundamental to that it's

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fundamental to the deeper reality and

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it's more like the source of our

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experience of reality with the source of

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reality itself so that's the first thing

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that consciousness is fundamental and

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primary the second tenant is that

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matters information and the forces are

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rules about how this information

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interacts with each other

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and we can I'm sure we'll dive deep into

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that as well the third item is

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the idea that the reality that we

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experience is somewhat illusory and you

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can use the word simulation another word

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that comes along with a lot of baggage

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but it's the most common word that's

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used but you know the losery means that

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there's something else deeper than that

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that it's not the real reality that we

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think it is other people will use the

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word virtual because it's separated from

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the deeper reality so and there's a

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purpose to that it's the the reality

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that we experience this apparent

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physical reality is designed for us to

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learn and evolve our consciousness and

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when I say designed I don't mean

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necessarily by you know an ET physicist

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or by a god or whatever it could have

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evolved to be designed like self

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evolution that is something that you

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know still hard to determine before

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Tennant is that the system itself is

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digital the deeper system consists of at

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a minimum all of the individuated

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consciousness is you know yours mine

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everybody we see animals gnats whatever

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Plus this apparent physical reality that

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I call a Learning Lab which is kind of a

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construct within that deeper system and

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that it's driven by a fundamental rule

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of continuous improvement so it's

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constantly trying to get better to

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elevate itself and you know we can go

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into more detail on this point too but I

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think the way that in a sense to elevate

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itself is to say I'm going to separate

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myself into these individuated

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consciousnesses and have them elevate

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themselves you know it's a lot easier to

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do that than to force the entire system

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to be elevated in some way so that's why

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we are actually all connected

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you know what the ancient mystics that

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we're all connected that's why we're

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part of God if you want to use that word

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and yet we are individuated and that we

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can act independently of each other so

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it ties that whole idea together so

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are the four basic ideas mmm I love it

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man and you refer to reality as the

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Learning Lab this system we're in and

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we've heard that earth is a school

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before but you refer to this as all

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matter galaxies everything physical and

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we should think of it as a virtual

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reality software program running on the

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all-that-is system

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I know computer analogies for reality

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can get a bit tired but when you have a

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virtual reality room

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it has physics coded in and it has a

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hardness two objects you encounter it's

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not real but you can't run your

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character through a wall or anything

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there are still rules but what it is is

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ultimately code or information as you've

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been saying which is how we should look

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at the material world right it's

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basically just data at its core and most

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things are empty yeah exactly and I

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think analogies are important it can be

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you know not perfect to use an analogy

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for something somebody will say oh well

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that you know doesn't necessarily

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translate to what we're experiencing or

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whatever but it's really a good tool

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it's a good learning tool it's a good

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tool to kind of appreciate concepts so

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the analogy of the virtual reality that

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is created by some programmer is a good

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one it's a good analogy for the reality

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that we live in you know one example is

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as you say if you're enough like a

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virtual space that's been programmed by

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you know some individual who has created

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this fantasy world you know something

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like you know one of these massively

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multiplayer online role-playing games

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you're in that space and it has a bunch

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of rules in terms of how things work if

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I pick up an object in that space and

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throw it that's going to follow a

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particular trajectory and usually those

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rules are consistent so everybody

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experiences the same kind of rules now

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imagine if we were all in that space

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experiencing these rules and we said and

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we had no idea that we were in a virtual

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reality like let's say are our minds

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were set aside for a moment and

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our memories were archived or something

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like that we found ourselves in this

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virtual space and that's all we we knew

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we would start exploring that we would

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say well you know it's kind of odd that

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this thing falls to the ground the same

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speed it's something else that I drop

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even though they're different ways or

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you know what I mean we would start

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investigating and we wouldn't come up

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with science and we would come up with

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equations for things and those equations

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would map to the actual equations that

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are encoded in the software so I think

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that's exactly what we've done we have

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equations that are encoded into the way

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our reality works and we're discovering

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those now as we're getting deeper and

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deeper we're starting to hit the edges

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of the things that are giving us an

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indication that there's more to it than

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a materialistic world and that's where

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things have gotten really really

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interesting mm-hmm and this is good

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context for how you explain paranormal

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encounters and the strange things people

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seem to see every so often

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aliens Bigfoot mantids moth men these

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sorts of things the mainstream model

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just says no it's impossible but how do

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they fold into your overall ideas sure

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and let me just go back a couple hundred

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years here there was a time in the 1800s

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when people were experiencing something

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that was outside of the accepted view of

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reality and what that was was you know

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rocks falling from the sky meteorites

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so when particles or you know large

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rocks or something from interstellar

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space come into our atmosphere if

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they're small enough they just burn up

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and then it's just a streak across the

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sky that we call a meteor but if they're

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big enough they get hot they'll show

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like a you know a trail and a tail but

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they won't burn up entirely and it'll

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land in the ground like the one that

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landed in Russia and early 1900s you

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know some of them are small solar huge

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cybus might be just you know little

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pebbles or whatever but people are

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seeing these things and the scientists

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need

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we're saying no impossible you know

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rocks can't fall out of this guy this

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doesn't happen you people are crackpots

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and this is paranormal you know there's

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no explanation for it well the only

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reason there wasn't they were calling it

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paranormal because at that time they

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didn't have an explanation for it now

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they do and so now it's normal so I

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think that you know we're in a state

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where that we have things that we

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categorize as normal and things that we

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categorize as paranormal anything that

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we call paranormal is something that is

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not easily repeatable like these rocks

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falling from the sky you couldn't

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conjure that up you can say well let's

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go out tonight and record a rock falling

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from the sky and pick it up and it

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wouldn't happen you know it just happens

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very infrequently so so I think so the

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paranormal things that occur in our

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reality now are occurring according to

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rules of the way our reality is formed

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but they're not in the subset of rules

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or equations that constitutes known

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science and that's okay for example if

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you are standing at a street corner and

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a car goes by and you both look at that

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car and say that is a blue Toyota

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Corolla that consensus that people have

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in how our reality works is part of what

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makes it feel hard and certain you know

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the fact that everybody sees the same

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thing pretty much now there have been

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some studies that show that people see

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different things and even at the atomic

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level two different observers can

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observe completely different realities

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in a very scientific rigorous scientific

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setting when it tells you that there is

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no real true physical underlying reality

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that's a different topic we'll probably

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get into later but my point is this lack

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of consensus can be you know the source

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of some of the paranormal confusion well

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I experienced a ghost and somebody said

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well I was there and I didn't experience

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it and so therefore the person who

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experienced it we say is crazy but it

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doesn't mean you know all that is is an

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perience everything that we experience

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is just that is just a subjective

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experience that's processed by our

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consciousness so when people experience

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an abduction or a you know something odd

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that they're seeing you know you can't

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really discount that now you could

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discount it sure if one person in the

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world has claimed abduction and nobody

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else has I would question that

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but when tens of thousands or hundreds

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of thousands have a kind of common

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experience I'd say there's something

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going on there it's just not something

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that can be explained with our set of

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scientific rules and equations

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mm-hmm-hmm

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I like the explanation I mean just to

549
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:55,120
use the video game analogy again if you

550
00:23:00,570 --> 00:22:57,730
make a program or a coded reality and it

551
00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:00,580
has its rules of physics you could still

552
00:23:04,499 --> 00:23:02,529
have other scripts running in that

553
00:23:05,999 --> 00:23:04,509
environment that have different rules if

554
00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:06,009
you play a video game and you get to

555
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:08,529
level ten maybe everything is felt

556
00:23:11,879 --> 00:23:10,210
mundane up to that point and then

557
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:11,889
suddenly there's a flaming sword

558
00:23:16,619 --> 00:23:13,570
floating in the sky

559
00:23:18,509 --> 00:23:16,629
it's still in the game it just defies

560
00:23:21,210 --> 00:23:18,519
the physics up to the point in which

561
00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:21,220
you've gotten so to me it just makes a

562
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:22,750
lot of sense it's really not that hard

563
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:25,690
to conceive of that there's some rarer

564
00:23:29,789 --> 00:23:28,090
programs in the environments kind of

565
00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:29,799
like the matrix and the mayor of Incheon

566
00:23:34,590 --> 00:23:32,049
being in charge of all the wolf men and

567
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:34,600
vampires they're kind of programs that

568
00:23:39,060 --> 00:23:36,610
have been decommissioned in a sense or

569
00:23:40,769 --> 00:23:39,070
something to that effect yeah yeah I

570
00:23:42,539 --> 00:23:40,779
think that's that's a really a good way

571
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:42,549
to put it you know another way could be

572
00:23:47,610 --> 00:23:46,330
to say that as an analogy again I'm not

573
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:47,620
saying this is the way it actually

574
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:49,690
worked but as an analogy if you're a

575
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:52,720
character in a game and you have greater

576
00:23:59,549 --> 00:23:56,320
than 50 spiritual points then now you

577
00:24:01,379 --> 00:23:59,559
are open to seeing certain things that

578
00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:01,389
people who have less than 50 spiritual

579
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:04,769
points can see or it could be more like

580
00:24:11,129 --> 00:24:07,809
everybody can see these things that fall

581
00:24:12,810 --> 00:24:11,139
outside of the normal set of rules but

582
00:24:14,999 --> 00:24:12,820
they fall on kind of a bell curve of

583
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:15,009
probabilities and some people tend to

584
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:16,480
see them more than other people that

585
00:24:22,289 --> 00:24:19,330
probability can be easily be programmed

586
00:24:23,460 --> 00:24:22,299
by the system into each character's

587
00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:23,470
experience

588
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,309
it's not hard to do mm-hmm yes and as

589
00:24:33,899 --> 00:24:29,679
you've said you're trying to add clarity

590
00:24:36,269 --> 00:24:33,909
and completeness to the overall digital

591
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,279
consciousness case in the book but a lot

592
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:38,320
of these ideas have been known I

593
00:24:43,019 --> 00:24:40,210
mentioned your study of Eastern

594
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:43,029
philosophy in the intro topic a factor

595
00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:45,250
has that been how much inspiration did

596
00:24:50,669 --> 00:24:47,830
you get from Eastern philosophy or even

597
00:24:52,740 --> 00:24:50,679
ancient long-gone civilizations that

598
00:24:55,259 --> 00:24:52,750
seem to have a better understanding than

599
00:24:59,220 --> 00:24:55,269
our big brain mainstream thinkers have

600
00:25:01,799 --> 00:24:59,230
today actually a lot and honestly I've

601
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:01,809
been influenced quite a bit by my

602
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:04,570
girlfriend who is you know she was who I

603
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:07,090
brought up and were born in India she

604
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:09,370
was kind of steeped in Eastern

605
00:25:13,049 --> 00:25:11,049
philosophy understands a lot better and

606
00:25:16,049 --> 00:25:13,059
you know she she reads my book and says

607
00:25:18,749 --> 00:25:16,059
you know in the Western world people are

608
00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:18,759
gonna be kind of like arguing about this

609
00:25:21,779 --> 00:25:20,830
but in the Eastern world it's all makes

610
00:25:24,509 --> 00:25:21,789
sense

611
00:25:27,919 --> 00:25:24,519
it's basically what you've been talking

612
00:25:31,619 --> 00:25:27,929
about for millennia so you know I think

613
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:31,629
the idea behind this is that it's a

614
00:25:38,399 --> 00:25:35,919
mistake to discount the learnings of

615
00:25:42,450 --> 00:25:38,409
ancient cultures because they weren't

616
00:25:45,409 --> 00:25:42,460
following a rigorous scientific method

617
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:45,419
and those learnings have some

618
00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:49,210
commonalities here again I'm thinking

619
00:25:54,690 --> 00:25:50,529
kind of a little bit in terms of

620
00:25:56,879 --> 00:25:54,700
statistics if I look at a twenty

621
00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:56,889
different cultures and they all have a

622
00:26:00,629 --> 00:25:58,690
completely different way of looking at

623
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,639
reality then I'm going to tend to

624
00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:03,039
believe that you know none of them are

625
00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:04,990
right but if I look at 20 different

626
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:07,990
cultures that came from different parts

627
00:26:12,210 --> 00:26:09,610
of the world different timeframes and

628
00:26:15,330 --> 00:26:12,220
then most likely didn't have a whole lot

629
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,340
of influence on each other and they came

630
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,919
up with some very common ideas we want

631
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:19,600
to take those ideas a little more

632
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:21,539
seriously or maybe a lot more seriously

633
00:26:27,180 --> 00:26:25,090
especially when you realize that the

634
00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:27,190
reason some of these ideas came about

635
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:30,070
had to do with spiritual or mystical

636
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:33,039
experiences that people had and I've

637
00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:35,289
done enough research on this that I feel

638
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:35,900
that these

639
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:39,290
real things it's not like some strange

640
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:41,690
storm in your brain that makes you feel

641
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:43,730
like you're having such and such an

642
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:46,370
experience it's more real than that and

643
00:26:52,540 --> 00:26:49,930
it's real because sometimes they

644
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:52,550
corroborate real things like an

645
00:26:56,620 --> 00:26:54,770
out-of-body experience for example you

646
00:27:00,460 --> 00:26:56,630
can corroborate that with the actual

647
00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:00,470
objects that exist when you you know see

648
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:03,800
them out-of-body so these mystical

649
00:27:07,810 --> 00:27:05,930
experiences that people have they're the

650
00:27:09,550 --> 00:27:07,820
source of where a lot of religions come

651
00:27:11,980 --> 00:27:09,560
from you know now man takes the

652
00:27:14,770 --> 00:27:11,990
religions and throws a bunch of dogma on

653
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:14,780
top of it and tries to control people

654
00:27:19,690 --> 00:27:17,810
via that religion but the spirit of the

655
00:27:22,150 --> 00:27:19,700
religion the pure spirit of the religion

656
00:27:24,910 --> 00:27:22,160
when you get back to that they're all

657
00:27:27,150 --> 00:27:24,920
really really similar they talk about

658
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:27,160
reincarnation they talk about

659
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:29,690
interconnectedness you know being part

660
00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:33,710
of him or God or whoever talking about

661
00:27:40,540 --> 00:27:37,670
Hinduism Buddhism Sikhism they talk

662
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:40,550
about virtual realities Mayans and

663
00:27:44,350 --> 00:27:42,050
ancient Sanskrit word that means

664
00:27:46,570 --> 00:27:44,360
illusion it was a central theme in both

665
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:46,580
Hinduism and Sikhism according to

666
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,410
ancient texts the human experience is

667
00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:50,720
like an interplay between eternal

668
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,750
consciousness and Maya the temporary

669
00:27:59,380 --> 00:27:55,840
illusory world well that's our

670
00:28:04,090 --> 00:27:59,390
incarnation so if the temporary illusory

671
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:04,100
world is just the incarnation that we

672
00:28:08,590 --> 00:28:06,110
have but there's really an eternal

673
00:28:12,250 --> 00:28:08,600
consciousness to us that sounds very

674
00:28:14,980 --> 00:28:12,260
similar to the idea that our apparent

675
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:14,990
physical reality is illusory and again

676
00:28:18,940 --> 00:28:16,730
physicists are coming up with this

677
00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:18,950
conclusion as well so all of these

678
00:28:24,330 --> 00:28:21,980
things they fit really really well you

679
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:24,340
know the idea of consciousness in

680
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:28,010
Hinduism the word Brahman is considered

681
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:29,930
to be the ultimate reality of the

682
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:32,170
universe and its meanings described as

683
00:28:38,770 --> 00:28:34,490
something that sort of translates to

684
00:28:40,660 --> 00:28:38,780
bliss consciousness being and you know

685
00:28:43,570 --> 00:28:40,670
so so again they came up with the same

686
00:28:47,010 --> 00:28:43,580
ideas what I'm coming to the conclusion

687
00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:47,020
of here isn't necessarily all that new

688
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:50,350
just knew in the context of the Western

689
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:53,110
world and fortunately it's been

690
00:28:56,190 --> 00:28:54,640
supported by a lot of the research

691
00:28:59,730 --> 00:28:56,200
that's going on in the Western world as

692
00:29:01,920 --> 00:28:59,740
well hmm for sure yeah great points a

693
00:29:05,550 --> 00:29:01,930
phrase that came up recently on the show

694
00:29:07,770 --> 00:29:05,560
was decolonized you're thinking because

695
00:29:10,770 --> 00:29:07,780
sometimes within the Western bubble we

696
00:29:13,020 --> 00:29:10,780
forget that other cultures around the

697
00:29:15,810 --> 00:29:13,030
world might be further down the path of

698
00:29:19,950 --> 00:29:15,820
understanding than we are or at least on

699
00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:19,960
equal footing with us and you write that

700
00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:22,390
there are a few possibilities as to how

701
00:29:26,670 --> 00:29:24,760
it all began but you lean towards the

702
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:26,680
idea that our reality was not

703
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:28,570
necessarily created by some particular

704
00:29:32,850 --> 00:29:31,090
conscious entity but rather has been

705
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:32,860
evolving according to some sort of

706
00:29:36,810 --> 00:29:35,110
fundamental evolutionary law from the

707
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:36,820
very beginning and then later in the

708
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:39,010
book you mentioned as soon as one door

709
00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:41,650
closes another one opens it's almost as

710
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:43,540
if the universe wants to be understood

711
00:29:47,850 --> 00:29:45,730
and I find that pretty provocative maybe

712
00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:47,860
you could talk to us about how these two

713
00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:50,680
aspects relate or what's driving this

714
00:29:56,340 --> 00:29:53,230
thing and a synchronicity some sort of

715
00:29:58,650 --> 00:29:56,350
breadcrumb lane sub program that tries

716
00:30:03,240 --> 00:29:58,660
to unfold the story for us if we play

717
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:03,250
along yeah I think it is and and I can't

718
00:30:08,370 --> 00:30:05,700
certainly can't take credit for the

719
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:08,380
concept of the fundamental or continuous

720
00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:10,480
improvement I give Tom Campbell a lot of

721
00:30:15,390 --> 00:30:12,520
credit for that one you know it's

722
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:15,400
possible somebody out there created the

723
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:16,690
reality that we're talking about and

724
00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:18,610
we're in this virtual space and maybe we

725
00:30:25,340 --> 00:30:21,580
do reincarnate as it appears that we do

726
00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:25,350
but that it doesn't evolve in any way

727
00:30:33,330 --> 00:30:28,380
however that just strikes me as being

728
00:30:36,810 --> 00:30:33,340
kind of pointless especially again when

729
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:36,820
you look at the Eastern mystics who gave

730
00:30:41,730 --> 00:30:39,010
a purpose to and talked about a purpose

731
00:30:43,410 --> 00:30:41,740
as did Jesus and other sources of

732
00:30:46,830 --> 00:30:43,420
religions you know purpose to our

733
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:46,840
existence to to love to serve to to

734
00:30:52,050 --> 00:30:49,510
evolve in that way Tom Campbell talks

735
00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:52,060
about as you know improving the quality

736
00:30:57,450 --> 00:30:55,630
of consciousness and the you know the

737
00:31:00,840 --> 00:30:57,460
Eastern religions talk about the idea of

738
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:00,850
karma and how what you've learned in

739
00:31:07,530 --> 00:31:04,090
this incarnation will affect what you do

740
00:31:08,790 --> 00:31:07,540
next time so next time around maybe you

741
00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:08,800
know you need to learn to be more

742
00:31:13,410 --> 00:31:11,380
patient or you need to learn humility or

743
00:31:15,210 --> 00:31:13,420
whatever that thing is why would you be

744
00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:15,220
learning these things if it wasn't to

745
00:31:20,030 --> 00:31:17,140
improve your consciousness in some way

746
00:31:23,420 --> 00:31:20,040
so there seems to be this underlying

747
00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:23,430
driving need to continuously improve and

748
00:31:29,850 --> 00:31:26,200
it all kind of fits together if you

749
00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:29,860
think of a system that starts at a very

750
00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:33,520
kind of low state and then creates over

751
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:36,790
time evolves over time to be complex

752
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:40,720
enough to be subdivided into individual

753
00:31:48,090 --> 00:31:43,710
consciousnesses and then beyond that

754
00:31:51,030 --> 00:31:48,100
like no analogy of the matrix where the

755
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:51,040
architect created different different

756
00:31:56,490 --> 00:31:54,730
matrices and you know finding the one

757
00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:56,500
that fits right so the reality that

758
00:32:01,320 --> 00:31:59,170
we're in now is something that is

759
00:32:04,350 --> 00:32:01,330
working pretty well for us it's a good

760
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:04,360
place for us to interact with others

761
00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:06,850
learn these things that we need to learn

762
00:32:13,290 --> 00:32:10,150
we can't necessarily do them in the kind

763
00:32:15,330 --> 00:32:13,300
of ethereal consciousness space because

764
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:15,340
we know what what is there we'd be like

765
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:17,110
you know why do I need to do anything

766
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:20,470
different but when you're grounded in

767
00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:23,610
something that seems physical and seems

768
00:32:29,670 --> 00:32:27,190
let's say permanent in a way you know

769
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:29,680
like our physical reality it seems like

770
00:32:35,550 --> 00:32:32,110
we have an endpoint we're going to die

771
00:32:38,790 --> 00:32:35,560
and so we have some you know there's a

772
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:38,800
little bit of an urgency to take our

773
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:42,370
experiences seriously that provides a

774
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:44,710
good framework for us to learn and so

775
00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:47,110
that's you know I think that's that's a

776
00:32:51,150 --> 00:32:48,820
good evidence for the idea that the

777
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:51,160
underlying construct is continually

778
00:32:57,810 --> 00:32:54,910
improving mm-hmm yeah I think that's a

779
00:32:59,940 --> 00:32:57,820
good explanation and it definitely jazz

780
00:33:02,400 --> 00:32:59,950
with the couple of weird experiences

781
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,410
I've had with things that seem to be

782
00:33:07,470 --> 00:33:04,720
maybe on the other side where they have

783
00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:07,480
alluded to the value of life is that you

784
00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:09,700
get to experience what chocolate tastes

785
00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:11,590
like or what love is like

786
00:33:19,379 --> 00:33:15,240
but it does sort of seem like all this

787
00:33:21,210 --> 00:33:19,389
just to teach us to love each other and

788
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,220
be nice to each other I mean is this the

789
00:33:26,909 --> 00:33:23,200
most effective way it seems pretty big

790
00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:26,919
epic and over-the-top to get that

791
00:33:33,739 --> 00:33:31,240
message through yeah it does and I use

792
00:33:36,779 --> 00:33:33,749
an analogy in the book of a heat lamp

793
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:36,789
another analogy could be if you want to

794
00:33:40,499 --> 00:33:39,129
run for president or run for office or

795
00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:40,509
something like that how do you get

796
00:33:46,379 --> 00:33:43,480
people behind you so we'll use that one

797
00:33:48,180 --> 00:33:46,389
let's say you know I'm a nobody and I

798
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:48,190
want to run for office in a country that

799
00:33:52,019 --> 00:33:50,769
has 300 million people in it how am I

800
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:52,029
gonna do that I'm gonna go knock on

801
00:33:55,950 --> 00:33:52,960
doors

802
00:33:57,419 --> 00:33:55,960
it'll take thousands and thousands of

803
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,429
years we're not going to read or it

804
00:34:00,779 --> 00:33:58,960
hinges every single person that they

805
00:34:04,139 --> 00:34:00,789
should vote for me or at least 50% of

806
00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:04,149
the people obviously impractical instead

807
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,190
what I do is they create a network and

808
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:07,840
create a network of people who believe

809
00:34:12,030 --> 00:34:10,210
in me boo boo knock on doors or maybe

810
00:34:14,609 --> 00:34:12,040
it's several levels of that network the

811
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:14,619
hierarchy of sorts which starts looking

812
00:34:19,409 --> 00:34:16,690
like a political organization which is

813
00:34:20,970 --> 00:34:19,419
exactly why we do it that way you know

814
00:34:23,970 --> 00:34:20,980
that's the analogy in order for

815
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:23,980
something big to happen you have to

816
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:26,310
break things up and give those things

817
00:34:32,490 --> 00:34:28,690
the self organization and the

818
00:34:34,319 --> 00:34:32,500
empowerment to go forward and evolve in

819
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:34,329
their own way and I think that's what if

820
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:35,770
you want to use the word god or all that

821
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:39,190
there is the system that's what it did

822
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:40,690
it broke yourself up into little pieces

823
00:34:46,139 --> 00:34:43,450
and said okay each one of you pieces is

824
00:34:48,419 --> 00:34:46,149
going to evolve in some way is it going

825
00:34:51,089 --> 00:34:48,429
to happen fast I mean I don't know I

826
00:34:53,399 --> 00:34:51,099
don't learn I know I don't learn lesson

827
00:34:55,530 --> 00:34:53,409
all that fast sometimes sometimes it

828
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:55,540
takes you know you hit over the head ten

829
00:34:58,859 --> 00:34:57,010
times before I get something I've to

830
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:58,869
read a book ten times before I get the

831
00:35:04,349 --> 00:35:01,599
concept you know I think change is

832
00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:04,359
naturally difficult for us for our

833
00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:07,030
consciousness and so it is going to take

834
00:35:12,510 --> 00:35:09,790
some time for us to kind of evolve and

835
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,520
is there an end to it I'm not sure you

836
00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:14,560
know that's that's getting pretty far

837
00:35:19,170 --> 00:35:17,140
out there but we're certainly not at an

838
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:19,180
endpoint now and there's plenty of room

839
00:35:23,010 --> 00:35:20,890
for people to evolve in terms of how

840
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:23,020
they view each other you know how they

841
00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:24,850
view their place in the world

842
00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:27,700
I'll cheers to that and absolutely we

843
00:35:34,740 --> 00:35:31,750
hear the lesson we intellectualize the

844
00:35:36,990 --> 00:35:34,750
lesson of love and unity and being kind

845
00:35:39,870 --> 00:35:37,000
to each other but do we really live it I

846
00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:39,880
don't know right and that was gonna be

847
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:41,830
my next question though is how do you

848
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:44,890
conceptualize our graduation what

849
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:47,050
happens when we do get the message and

850
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:50,740
spend a lifetime actually living it well

851
00:35:54,210 --> 00:35:52,210
I'm not sure that that means you've

852
00:35:57,420 --> 00:35:54,220
learned everything we need to learn so

853
00:36:00,360 --> 00:35:57,430
you know maybe we've really you know

854
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:00,370
devoted our lives to service of other

855
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:02,650
people or animals or something like that

856
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:04,330
and maybe we've got that and that's

857
00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:05,170
really good

858
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:07,870
but we're still not very humble people

859
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:10,810
or we're still you know not not seeing

860
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:11,650
something else

861
00:36:17,820 --> 00:36:14,710
our next incarnation may evolve us even

862
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:17,830
further you know this a lot of this is a

863
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:20,650
little bit speculative I mean it's a lot

864
00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:24,640
speculative certainly it matches again

865
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:27,430
what the Eastern mystic says and it also

866
00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:30,730
matches the near-death experiences that

867
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,100
people around the world have and

868
00:36:37,590 --> 00:36:35,200
sometimes out-of-body experiences you

869
00:36:41,130 --> 00:36:37,600
know it matches the message that they

870
00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:41,140
receive so again because of the

871
00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:43,900
statistical commonality of this I feel

872
00:36:47,550 --> 00:36:45,940
like there's something significant there

873
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:47,560
that there is this evolution of

874
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:49,810
consciousness that's going on it just it

875
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:52,450
makes more sense to me now as far as an

876
00:36:57,450 --> 00:36:54,970
endpoint though you asked about that you

877
00:36:59,310 --> 00:36:57,460
know some some religions believe that

878
00:37:01,410 --> 00:36:59,320
you achieve some state of Nirvana and

879
00:37:03,870 --> 00:37:01,420
your goal is to get out of this constant

880
00:37:07,590 --> 00:37:03,880
cycle of suffering as the Buddhists

881
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:07,600
would say you know other experiences

882
00:37:12,260 --> 00:37:09,850
that people have had who have done more

883
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:12,270
you know astral traveling or whatever

884
00:37:17,370 --> 00:37:14,890
and I think some of these somewhat

885
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:17,380
seriously especially when they're pretty

886
00:37:22,590 --> 00:37:20,050
credible or their data is backed up by

887
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:22,600
common experiences with other people or

888
00:37:27,260 --> 00:37:24,910
again corroborating evidence know what

889
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:27,270
some of those folks have said is that

890
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:30,210
there are different roles some

891
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,410
consciousnesses may have a role where

892
00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:34,960
they incarnate they constantly evolve

893
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:37,180
others may have a role where they help

894
00:37:41,550 --> 00:37:38,530
people

895
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:41,560
find a path when they're outside of the

896
00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:43,810
cycle of suffering so other people may

897
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:45,880
never or other consciousnesses may never

898
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:49,030
incarnate at all so I think the the

899
00:37:53,730 --> 00:37:51,730
scope of that is definitely pretty

900
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:53,740
speculative but it's kind of interesting

901
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:56,050
to consider that we might not all be

902
00:38:01,650 --> 00:37:59,010
going through the exact same path of

903
00:38:03,090 --> 00:38:01,660
continual reincarnation and ultimately

904
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:03,100
achieving their product could be

905
00:38:07,710 --> 00:38:05,530
something different right yeah these are

906
00:38:10,170 --> 00:38:07,720
the things that are the toughest to know

907
00:38:12,930 --> 00:38:10,180
pretty much impossible from our vantage

908
00:38:15,450 --> 00:38:12,940
point inside the system but maybe our

909
00:38:17,940 --> 00:38:15,460
incubator isn't the only one you know we

910
00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:17,950
might just move on to Learning Lab 2.0

911
00:38:23,970 --> 00:38:21,660
for advanced students that could be -

912
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:23,980
when we have some evidence for that all

913
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:27,490
right another book for sure and I wanted

914
00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:29,170
to get deeper into some of the stuff in

915
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:31,150
your evidence for a consciousness

916
00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:33,490
chapter because it's so rapid-fire and

917
00:38:37,110 --> 00:38:34,990
full of the sort of things we love

918
00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:37,120
around here the anomalous stuff that's

919
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:39,940
clearly explainable in your digital

920
00:38:44,580 --> 00:38:42,160
consciousness model what might be a

921
00:38:46,590 --> 00:38:44,590
personal favorite of yours when it comes

922
00:38:49,350 --> 00:38:46,600
to these things on the edges and what

923
00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:49,360
they can tell us you know in the

924
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,640
consciousness side I think my personal

925
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:53,680
favorite really has to do with quantum

926
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,530
mechanics the studies that are going on

927
00:39:00,450 --> 00:38:58,000
these days and a lot of them are

928
00:39:02,910 --> 00:39:00,460
involved with an experiment called the

929
00:39:05,930 --> 00:39:02,920
double slit experiment they're just

930
00:39:09,450 --> 00:39:05,940
mind-blowing and some of the results

931
00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:09,460
indicate things like reverse causality

932
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:13,120
in other words something happens after

933
00:39:20,180 --> 00:39:16,930
or before the the stimulus that should

934
00:39:25,170 --> 00:39:20,190
cause it to happen and these have been

935
00:39:29,460 --> 00:39:25,180
published peer reviewed analyzed the guy

936
00:39:31,410 --> 00:39:29,470
named Anton Zeilinger in Austria is very

937
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:31,420
much on the cutting edge of this kind of

938
00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:34,400
research I ve made the statement that

939
00:39:37,570 --> 00:39:36,350
you know objective reality simply

940
00:39:40,540 --> 00:39:37,580
doesn't exist and that they've

941
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:40,550
determined that to aid you orders of

942
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,410
magnitude of certainty which is way

943
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:45,200
beyond what most science considers

944
00:39:50,010 --> 00:39:47,090
certain I think they might consider you

945
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:50,020
know five nines you know four 99.999%

946
00:39:55,650 --> 00:39:53,930
sure the other point oh one percent

947
00:39:58,450 --> 00:39:55,660
could be due to chance or some

948
00:39:58,930 --> 00:39:58,460
experimental you know error or something

949
00:40:01,480 --> 00:39:58,940
like that

950
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:01,490
we'll still consider it certainty you

951
00:40:06,460 --> 00:40:04,130
know pretty much fact but the results of

952
00:40:08,620 --> 00:40:06,470
these quantum experiments that show that

953
00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:08,630
there are different realities that

954
00:40:14,650 --> 00:40:12,230
objective reality doesn't exist that you

955
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:14,660
know the locality doesn't exist these

956
00:40:20,860 --> 00:40:17,510
kind of things tell us that we're in a

957
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:20,870
virtual world so that's that's actually

958
00:40:24,940 --> 00:40:23,450
my favorite one and then on that on the

959
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:24,950
completely opposite side of the spectrum

960
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:26,930
you've got you know past life

961
00:40:32,530 --> 00:40:29,510
experiences psychic phenomena

962
00:40:35,290 --> 00:40:32,540
out-of-body experiences things like that

963
00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:35,300
that near-death experiences that there's

964
00:40:39,790 --> 00:40:36,920
been a lot of studies on and a lot of

965
00:40:42,610 --> 00:40:39,800
those studies also line up a lot of

966
00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:42,620
common aspects of those experiences that

967
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:45,190
indicate that we're in a virtual world

968
00:40:50,410 --> 00:40:48,770
hmm yes there's some really funky stuff

969
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:50,420
going on in quantum mechanics and the

970
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:52,850
idea of retro causality is so

971
00:40:56,860 --> 00:40:54,290
interesting to me I think about that all

972
00:40:59,470 --> 00:40:56,870
the time in my own life and where I am

973
00:41:03,610 --> 00:40:59,480
now it's like did I back cast some of

974
00:41:06,310 --> 00:41:03,620
those ideals and experiences to get me

975
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:06,320
here it just all works out and such a

976
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,640
nice story nice to sink little story

977
00:41:15,340 --> 00:41:12,800
you'd see and from Hollywood and it's

978
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:15,350
archetypal in a sense and so I do wonder

979
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,170
sometimes if maybe even when I'm 50

980
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:20,000
years old I'll have even more insight to

981
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:23,810
the prospect of possibly things in two

982
00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:25,850
decades in the future had an effect

983
00:41:29,980 --> 00:41:27,950
today it's just it's very strange but

984
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:29,990
when you think about life in that way it

985
00:41:37,090 --> 00:41:33,680
does sort of inspire you to think deeper

986
00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:37,100
about it I think yeah definitely so you

987
00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:38,780
know there are two aspects to this retro

988
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:40,790
causality idea one is it the quantum

989
00:41:45,790 --> 00:41:42,710
level and they've shown that that really

990
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,800
does exist you know that you can kind of

991
00:41:50,650 --> 00:41:48,079
reverse the result of an experiment

992
00:41:53,919 --> 00:41:50,660
to the fact that's been shown over and

993
00:41:56,679 --> 00:41:53,929
over again then people will say okay

994
00:41:58,329 --> 00:41:56,689
well we're in a macroscopic world we're

995
00:42:00,880 --> 00:41:58,339
not in a quantum world but that's not

996
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:00,890
really true because even macroscopic

997
00:42:05,739 --> 00:42:03,249
objects you know they've shown that

998
00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:05,749
atoms and molecules and things that are

999
00:42:10,839 --> 00:42:08,150
getting more and more macroscopic start

1000
00:42:13,569 --> 00:42:10,849
following the same quantum anomalies

1001
00:42:15,609 --> 00:42:13,579
that the subatomic particles did the

1002
00:42:18,969 --> 00:42:15,619
only reason we can't see it is because

1003
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:18,979
the measurement equipment is you know

1004
00:42:24,279 --> 00:42:21,049
not sophisticated enough for us to see a

1005
00:42:26,169 --> 00:42:24,289
perturbation in a macroscopic level but

1006
00:42:27,729 --> 00:42:26,179
then if you you know kind of step up a

1007
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,739
level and say okay what about our

1008
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:30,079
subjective experience could there be

1009
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:33,049
something like retro causality and our

1010
00:42:37,299 --> 00:42:35,089
subjective experience well I don't know

1011
00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:37,309
I mean I read all the time about people

1012
00:42:43,989 --> 00:42:39,640
and I've known people who have had

1013
00:42:46,539 --> 00:42:43,999
hunches hunches that were so powerful to

1014
00:42:48,579 --> 00:42:46,549
them that they've never had it before in

1015
00:42:50,439 --> 00:42:48,589
their lives you know I should slow down

1016
00:42:54,339 --> 00:42:50,449
before I go into this intersection or

1017
00:42:56,620 --> 00:42:54,349
something like that and the typical

1018
00:43:00,660 --> 00:42:56,630
skeptic argument is that oh will they

1019
00:43:02,859 --> 00:43:00,670
receive some you know kind of subliminal

1020
00:43:04,509 --> 00:43:02,869
indications that whew there was about to

1021
00:43:07,539 --> 00:43:04,519
be an accident that happened and that

1022
00:43:08,919 --> 00:43:07,549
that makes some sense except that when

1023
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,929
you start reading about some of these

1024
00:43:13,419 --> 00:43:10,880
it's impossible given the timeframe

1025
00:43:15,429 --> 00:43:13,429
given the situation that they're in a

1026
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,439
lot of these cases it's impossible for

1027
00:43:18,999 --> 00:43:17,599
them to have received anything

1028
00:43:21,299 --> 00:43:19,009
indicating that there was something

1029
00:43:23,890 --> 00:43:21,309
about to happen so may even remember

1030
00:43:26,229 --> 00:43:23,900
heartfelt talking about one time when he

1031
00:43:27,969 --> 00:43:26,239
just said he was compelled to walk over

1032
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:27,979
to his window and look out the door

1033
00:43:31,509 --> 00:43:29,630
because he knew something was going to

1034
00:43:33,669 --> 00:43:31,519
happen to his car and as he's standing

1035
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,679
there staring at the street you know a

1036
00:43:38,859 --> 00:43:35,839
car came down the the road was smashed

1037
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:38,869
into his car so these kind of things

1038
00:43:45,309 --> 00:43:42,609
indicate some you know precognitive

1039
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:45,319
experience and what would explain that

1040
00:43:48,459 --> 00:43:46,910
and there's nothing really in science

1041
00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:48,469
that explains that but there's

1042
00:43:53,439 --> 00:43:50,630
definitely something in the simulation

1043
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:53,449
idea explains that if we're running a

1044
00:43:59,529 --> 00:43:56,410
simulation we could theoretically say

1045
00:44:01,720 --> 00:43:59,539
let's run a bunch of simulations on what

1046
00:44:03,010 --> 00:44:01,730
could be happening right now base

1047
00:44:05,230 --> 00:44:03,020
on the current state of the world and

1048
00:44:08,890 --> 00:44:05,240
where the branches that they all go off

1049
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:08,900
on based on the free will of all the

1050
00:44:12,820 --> 00:44:11,450
people involved and Wow

1051
00:44:14,109 --> 00:44:12,830
a whole bunch of these are indicating

1052
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:14,119
that something is probably going to

1053
00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:16,130
happen I better look out for that you

1054
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:18,470
see what I mean there's an explanation

1055
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:21,770
for precognition in a simulation world

1056
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:26,090
that actually makes sense yeah weird

1057
00:44:31,570 --> 00:44:29,090
science indeed and I thought this was

1058
00:44:33,550 --> 00:44:31,580
interesting but dr. Kenneth ring

1059
00:44:35,590 --> 00:44:33,560
professor of psychology at the

1060
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:35,600
University of Connecticut wrote a book

1061
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:39,170
called mine site and investigated 31

1062
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:40,970
blind people who had near-death

1063
00:44:45,730 --> 00:44:43,910
experiences most reported visual

1064
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:45,740
experiences unlike anything they've ever

1065
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:49,609
had yet line people don't have visual

1066
00:44:56,109 --> 00:44:52,640
dreams and that's just a curious thing

1067
00:44:57,609 --> 00:44:56,119
but what does this say to you yeah what

1068
00:45:00,750 --> 00:44:57,619
it says to me is that there's a

1069
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:00,760
difference between a dream and a

1070
00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:03,530
near-death experience but I think that

1071
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:05,420
there's like a continuum of these kind

1072
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:07,609
of experiences so a lot of our dreams

1073
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:09,950
probably have to do with the fact that

1074
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:13,369
you know as our kind of control center

1075
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,050
of our consciousness slips away when we

1076
00:45:23,140 --> 00:45:18,400
go to sleep we are able to kind of

1077
00:45:24,970 --> 00:45:23,150
fantasize or play out various things you

1078
00:45:27,550 --> 00:45:24,980
know still in the reality that we're in

1079
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:27,560
and so that is consistent with the idea

1080
00:45:32,650 --> 00:45:30,710
that blind people don't tend to have

1081
00:45:34,930 --> 00:45:32,660
these visual experiences when they dream

1082
00:45:37,870 --> 00:45:34,940
if they are congenitally blind they

1083
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,880
never experience the idea of a visual

1084
00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:38,720
experience

1085
00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:41,150
however they have a near-death

1086
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:42,830
experience they have to be going

1087
00:45:46,270 --> 00:45:43,730
somewhere else

1088
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:46,280
they can't be just in their head and

1089
00:45:52,690 --> 00:45:49,520
receive you know a visual experience it

1090
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:52,700
has to be something else so to me it

1091
00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:54,650
says that there's something more

1092
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:57,470
significant about an NDE than just you

1093
00:46:02,530 --> 00:45:58,880
know something that's coming from your

1094
00:46:04,330 --> 00:46:02,540
brain yeah yeah there's definitely Clues

1095
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:04,340
there and that's exactly the kind of

1096
00:46:09,550 --> 00:46:06,650
science I think we should be doing and

1097
00:46:11,470 --> 00:46:09,560
we know about insights from near-death

1098
00:46:13,390 --> 00:46:11,480
experience but what about shared death

1099
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:13,400
experiences I don't even know that I've

1100
00:46:16,850 --> 00:46:14,640
ever heard this

1101
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:16,860
before but it covers a lot of strange

1102
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:19,500
things that people who are spending time

1103
00:46:24,530 --> 00:46:21,780
with others at the moment of their death

1104
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:24,540
apparently experience sometimes what's

1105
00:46:29,780 --> 00:46:27,180
this about apparently it covers mist at

1106
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:29,790
death beautiful music a change in the

1107
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:32,610
geometry of the room feeling a strong

1108
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,610
pull upwards on the body sharing an

1109
00:46:40,580 --> 00:46:37,920
out-of-body experience seeing a mystical

1110
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,590
light co-living the life review of a

1111
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:43,200
dying person being greeted by the beams

1112
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:45,690
of light and encountering heavenly

1113
00:46:50,660 --> 00:46:48,330
realms and a boundary in that realm

1114
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:50,670
that's the list you give in the book but

1115
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,210
how do we fold these in to increase our

1116
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:56,880
understanding yeah sure I mean one of

1117
00:47:02,060 --> 00:47:00,480
the arguments against the idea of really

1118
00:47:04,580 --> 00:47:02,070
getting out of your body and in your

1119
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:04,590
death experience is that you know what a

1120
00:47:09,890 --> 00:47:06,330
lot of the material scientists will say

1121
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:09,900
is you're losing oxygen it's oxygen

1122
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:11,970
deprivation that's causing these kind of

1123
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:14,250
clues and Torrie things you know a

1124
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:17,010
closing down of your field of vision is

1125
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:18,690
what makes it look like you're going

1126
00:47:21,790 --> 00:47:20,310
through a tunnel and seeing a light at

1127
00:47:23,290 --> 00:47:21,800
the end of it

1128
00:47:26,970 --> 00:47:23,300
so that's the common argument

1129
00:47:29,950 --> 00:47:26,980
unfortunately when you start looking at

1130
00:47:32,380 --> 00:47:29,960
different categories of experiences it

1131
00:47:35,140 --> 00:47:32,390
shoots holes in that argument one way to

1132
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:35,150
shoot a hole in it is to say that when

1133
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:36,410
people aren't having a near-death

1134
00:47:40,930 --> 00:47:38,930
experience but losing and you know

1135
00:47:43,690 --> 00:47:40,940
having an oxygen deprivation to the

1136
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:43,700
brain they don't see these things these

1137
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:47,330
mystical realms these deceased ancestors

1138
00:47:51,580 --> 00:47:50,210
these ideas of you know seeing a point

1139
00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:51,590
where if they cross they can't come back

1140
00:47:56,110 --> 00:47:53,990
you know these are common experiences in

1141
00:47:58,750 --> 00:47:56,120
a near-death experiences but fighter

1142
00:48:01,150 --> 00:47:58,760
pilots who hit six G's and lose oxygen

1143
00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:01,160
to the brain they don't have those kind

1144
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:03,140
of experiences or you know people who

1145
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,210
have been in centrifuges or something

1146
00:48:07,930 --> 00:48:07,520
like that where they've lost oxygen to

1147
00:48:09,730 --> 00:48:07,940
the brain

1148
00:48:12,310 --> 00:48:09,740
they don't have near death experiences

1149
00:48:14,890 --> 00:48:12,320
so that that argues against that idea

1150
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:14,900
the other way to argue against the idea

1151
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:17,570
is people who have a similar experience

1152
00:48:24,070 --> 00:48:21,650
and have never had any kind of oxygen

1153
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:24,080
deprivation because they're not dying so

1154
00:48:31,180 --> 00:48:26,650
you're sitting next to somebody who is

1155
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:31,190
passing away and you experienced the

1156
00:48:35,830 --> 00:48:33,590
same thing that they're experiencing you

1157
00:48:38,740 --> 00:48:35,840
experiencing aspects of this near-death

1158
00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:38,750
experience you know like the deathbed

1159
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:43,000
visions or you know the seeing deceased

1160
00:48:47,890 --> 00:48:45,890
individuals seeing a light having the

1161
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:47,900
feeling the deep feeling of you know

1162
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:49,930
being connected to something bigger

1163
00:48:55,630 --> 00:48:52,640
people sometimes have these when they're

1164
00:48:58,210 --> 00:48:55,640
in proximity of somebody who is passing

1165
00:49:00,580 --> 00:48:58,220
away and there's no explanation for that

1166
00:49:03,220 --> 00:49:00,590
in terms of oxygen deprivation so it

1167
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:03,230
rules that that scientific explanation

1168
00:49:07,060 --> 00:49:05,090
out and that's what I think the

1169
00:49:09,610 --> 00:49:07,070
significance of those studies are and

1170
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:09,620
another thing is you know children you

1171
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:12,410
know one of the arguments has been that

1172
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:15,850
the reason that people see deceased

1173
00:49:19,570 --> 00:49:18,170
individuals is because of wishful

1174
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:19,580
thinking that's who they want to see you

1175
00:49:23,770 --> 00:49:21,530
want to see your grandparents who passed

1176
00:49:26,380 --> 00:49:23,780
away or something like that the children

1177
00:49:28,410 --> 00:49:26,390
are also seeing deceased people that

1178
00:49:31,420 --> 00:49:28,420
they didn't even know very well and

1179
00:49:33,940 --> 00:49:31,430
nobody ever seems to see a near-death

1180
00:49:35,770 --> 00:49:33,950
experience nobody seems to see people

1181
00:49:39,550 --> 00:49:35,780
who are currently alive and that's

1182
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:39,560
very strange or anomaly absolutely

1183
00:49:44,410 --> 00:49:41,510
absolutely and it also speaks to why

1184
00:49:46,690 --> 00:49:44,420
some people who dabble in magic or some

1185
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:46,700
indigenous cultures they will tell you

1186
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,370
to get right with your ancestors to pay

1187
00:49:53,740 --> 00:49:52,160
attention to the generations that came

1188
00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:53,750
before you and maybe it's for this very

1189
00:49:59,110 --> 00:49:56,420
reason so you can recognize friendly

1190
00:50:01,000 --> 00:49:59,120
faces on the other side but it it does

1191
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:01,010
go back to that thing we talked about

1192
00:50:05,230 --> 00:50:03,410
about the universe wanting to be

1193
00:50:07,180 --> 00:50:05,240
understood it's kind of like we have

1194
00:50:09,310 --> 00:50:07,190
these near-death experiences and then we

1195
00:50:11,170 --> 00:50:09,320
find some way to dismiss them in the

1196
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,180
universe's okay so you're not gonna take

1197
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:13,760
that clue let me provide it to people

1198
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:15,890
who aren't undergoing the actual death

1199
00:50:20,740 --> 00:50:17,450
experience and see how you deal with

1200
00:50:22,930 --> 00:50:20,750
that and it just fits yeah I mean and

1201
00:50:25,050 --> 00:50:22,940
again think of it as an analogy in a

1202
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:25,060
video games you're in a video game

1203
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:28,730
shooting monsters and doing whatever it

1204
00:50:33,130 --> 00:50:30,650
is that you do over and over and over

1205
00:50:34,660 --> 00:50:33,140
again it gets pretty boring and you know

1206
00:50:37,330 --> 00:50:34,670
you'll move on to a different game with

1207
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,340
a different scenario but if the creators

1208
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:39,680
of that game or let's say it's a normal

1209
00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:41,710
network that reinvents itself

1210
00:50:47,530 --> 00:50:45,140
periodically they keep on adding Easter

1211
00:50:50,170 --> 00:50:47,540
eggs into it or new paths for

1212
00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:50,180
exploration oh here's an island that you

1213
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:52,070
find before here's a kind of a monster

1214
00:50:55,570 --> 00:50:53,930
that we'd ever saw before it keeps

1215
00:50:58,540 --> 00:50:55,580
things interesting and it keeps people

1216
00:51:01,000 --> 00:50:58,550
learning interacting evolving their

1217
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:01,010
minds and that seems to be what happens

1218
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:03,290
in our reality it happens in science

1219
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:06,110
over time people back I think was

1220
00:51:09,790 --> 00:51:08,510
Nicholson said in the late 1800s we've

1221
00:51:11,770 --> 00:51:09,800
discovered everything we need to

1222
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:11,780
discover in science there's nothing more

1223
00:51:17,290 --> 00:51:14,690
to to discover other than getting a few

1224
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,300
more decimal points of accuracy in our

1225
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,520
measurements and then BOOM along comes

1226
00:51:23,710 --> 00:51:22,160
relativity and quantum mechanics and you

1227
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:23,720
know that just kind of blew the doors

1228
00:51:32,410 --> 00:51:28,720
off of that idea and over time we always

1229
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:32,420
learn more and we have to realize how

1230
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,910
much we don't know we always think we

1231
00:51:39,970 --> 00:51:37,280
know most everything and knew a little

1232
00:51:42,550 --> 00:51:39,980
bit more to discover but that's not the

1233
00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:42,560
case you know time immemorial there's

1234
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:44,390
been more that we don't understand and

1235
00:51:48,180 --> 00:51:46,070
we do understand I'm sure you've seen

1236
00:51:50,610 --> 00:51:48,190
that pie chart that shows

1237
00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:50,620
this tiny little sliver of things that

1238
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:52,750
you know and then there's a another

1239
00:51:56,850 --> 00:51:54,850
slightly bigger sliver of things that

1240
00:51:59,040 --> 00:51:56,860
you know you don't know and then there's

1241
00:52:00,450 --> 00:51:59,050
this huge part of the pie chart that

1242
00:52:02,550 --> 00:52:00,460
said things you don't know you don't

1243
00:52:05,730 --> 00:52:02,560
know and and that's how you definitely

1244
00:52:07,590 --> 00:52:05,740
our reality is so yeah the system the

1245
00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:07,600
universe the God all that there is

1246
00:52:12,990 --> 00:52:10,420
whatever you want to call it to keep

1247
00:52:15,930 --> 00:52:13,000
things evolving has to keep adding in

1248
00:52:19,350 --> 00:52:15,940
these aspects to it that make us learn

1249
00:52:21,540 --> 00:52:19,360
and discover more I agree I agree and I

1250
00:52:24,780 --> 00:52:21,550
think it was either poppy bush or

1251
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,790
Rumsfeld who gave that known unknowns

1252
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:26,800
speech and a lot of people just scratch

1253
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:29,680
their head but this is exactly what that

1254
00:52:34,350 --> 00:52:31,690
kind of referred to I mean obviously in

1255
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:34,360
a more political context but it is just

1256
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,850
interesting and I wanted to ask you a

1257
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:38,800
little bit about manifestation too

1258
00:52:44,820 --> 00:52:41,410
because this is clearly a thing that is

1259
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:44,830
real and any model would have to fold it

1260
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:46,960
in of course just the basic

1261
00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:48,730
understanding that matter is derived

1262
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:50,500
from mind rather than the other way

1263
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:52,240
around and that matter is mostly empty

1264
00:52:57,810 --> 00:52:55,090
space those things work to kind of

1265
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:57,820
demystify this manifestation thing but

1266
00:53:01,920 --> 00:52:59,440
how do you try to understand it and

1267
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:01,930
explain the mechanisms behind it tell me

1268
00:53:07,710 --> 00:53:05,200
what you mean by manifestation the idea

1269
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:07,720
that we can kind of create our reality

1270
00:53:12,780 --> 00:53:10,480
that you do these kind of mental

1271
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:12,790
cycling's like Bill bangtan's work where

1272
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,280
you you know take ten images of things

1273
00:53:19,110 --> 00:53:16,960
you want and you cycle them in your

1274
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:19,120
mind's eye all the time and then you

1275
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:20,890
find further down the line that some of

1276
00:53:25,950 --> 00:53:22,770
these things start to pop into your life

1277
00:53:27,450 --> 00:53:25,960
okay yeah no I didn't know if you were

1278
00:53:28,860 --> 00:53:27,460
talking about like manifestation of

1279
00:53:32,550 --> 00:53:28,870
physical objects and things like that

1280
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:32,560
but no to me if you accept the premise

1281
00:53:38,610 --> 00:53:36,310
that our fundamental reality is soft

1282
00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:38,620
that we have freewill and that we're

1283
00:53:42,690 --> 00:53:40,990
working with a construct that is

1284
00:53:45,540 --> 00:53:42,700
flexible

1285
00:53:48,210 --> 00:53:45,550
and that opens the possibility of our

1286
00:53:50,460 --> 00:53:48,220
intent influencing that doesn't it I

1287
00:53:52,740 --> 00:53:50,470
mean if it was fixed and deterministic

1288
00:53:54,990 --> 00:53:52,750
and you know the way some people still

1289
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:55,000
think the idea of super determinism that

1290
00:53:57,810 --> 00:53:56,170
everything has already been

1291
00:53:59,849 --> 00:53:57,820
predetermined and we're just going along

1292
00:54:01,920 --> 00:53:59,859
for the ride our consciousness just

1293
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:01,930
appears to be it appears that we have

1294
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:02,410
free will

1295
00:54:08,220 --> 00:54:04,020
we don't really you know we're just

1296
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:08,230
following the patterns of particles and

1297
00:54:12,510 --> 00:54:10,810
our our brains and so forth unless you

1298
00:54:14,010 --> 00:54:12,520
believe that you know you have to

1299
00:54:16,650 --> 00:54:14,020
believe that there's you know something

1300
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:16,660
softer to the underlying constructs and

1301
00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:19,570
that therefore it is soft and certainly

1302
00:54:24,690 --> 00:54:22,390
software is information certainly is you

1303
00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:24,700
can modify it I think Tom Campbell also

1304
00:54:30,420 --> 00:54:27,310
had a good analogy here you can't modify

1305
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:30,430
something that a whole lot of people are

1306
00:54:34,530 --> 00:54:32,770
counting on so for example let's say I

1307
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:34,540
want the stock market to go up tomorrow

1308
00:54:40,109 --> 00:54:37,359
by 10 points or 100 points so that I can

1309
00:54:42,930 --> 00:54:40,119
make a lot of money but there's lots of

1310
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:42,940
other conscious intent out there that

1311
00:54:47,730 --> 00:54:44,890
wants it to go down because they're

1312
00:54:50,609 --> 00:54:47,740
selling short so you can't force

1313
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:50,619
something by yourself to happen however

1314
00:54:54,510 --> 00:54:52,810
if there's not you know one of the

1315
00:54:57,390 --> 00:54:54,520
effects that might make it more possible

1316
00:54:59,160 --> 00:54:57,400
to manifest is the fact that you are the

1317
00:55:01,500 --> 00:54:59,170
only one that's going to get value out

1318
00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:01,510
of it so things that are very personal

1319
00:55:04,859 --> 00:55:03,550
to you like becoming a better tennis

1320
00:55:09,150 --> 00:55:04,869
player or something like that

1321
00:55:11,730 --> 00:55:09,160
there's no competing intent against that

1322
00:55:14,579 --> 00:55:11,740
therefore there's probably more likely

1323
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:14,589
that you can make that happen you can

1324
00:55:18,930 --> 00:55:16,960
you know kind of mold your the

1325
00:55:21,210 --> 00:55:18,940
underlying constructor to make that work

1326
00:55:23,579 --> 00:55:21,220
so that's one thing another thing is how

1327
00:55:27,329 --> 00:55:23,589
far away is it I want to be a better

1328
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:27,339
tennis player tomorrow that's probably

1329
00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:29,890
not going to happen but if I you know

1330
00:55:34,650 --> 00:55:31,900
want that over a longer period of time

1331
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:34,660
it makes sense or let's say I have

1332
00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:36,250
gotten a test I have early stage of

1333
00:55:42,660 --> 00:55:38,579
cancer or something if I want that

1334
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:42,670
eradicated within seconds I might not be

1335
00:55:47,490 --> 00:55:45,369
able to do that but through meditation

1336
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:47,500
through manifestation through

1337
00:55:53,059 --> 00:55:51,010
visualization it seems like I can have

1338
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:53,069
an influence on that over

1339
00:55:59,809 --> 00:55:56,569
so given time and given the lack of

1340
00:56:02,179 --> 00:55:59,819
competing intent I think these things

1341
00:56:05,269 --> 00:56:02,189
are possible which is what explains the

1342
00:56:07,819 --> 00:56:05,279
placebo effect what explains power

1343
00:56:10,999 --> 00:56:07,829
positive thinking visualization the

1344
00:56:13,099 --> 00:56:11,009
secret all of that kind of stuff yeah

1345
00:56:15,439 --> 00:56:13,109
I'm curious do you ever think about this

1346
00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:15,449
in the context of your own journey

1347
00:56:19,729 --> 00:56:17,339
because if I think back you know six

1348
00:56:23,209 --> 00:56:19,739
years ago I just started a podcast you

1349
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:23,219
had just written a book and through

1350
00:56:28,609 --> 00:56:26,640
those actions we cultivated an audience

1351
00:56:30,439 --> 00:56:28,619
let's say more people knew of your name

1352
00:56:31,969 --> 00:56:30,449
after they read your book and more

1353
00:56:34,339 --> 00:56:31,979
people knew my name after they heard my

1354
00:56:36,169 --> 00:56:34,349
show and then maybe there's a bit of a

1355
00:56:38,509 --> 00:56:36,179
snowball effect because when I read a

1356
00:56:41,419 --> 00:56:38,519
book or see something that I like in

1357
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:41,429
media I want it to do well I want it to

1358
00:56:47,179 --> 00:56:44,609
improve and it's almost as like if you

1359
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:47,189
can gather some type of audience and

1360
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:49,529
they like what you do and you can

1361
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:53,249
attract more consciousnesses to hoping

1362
00:56:59,149 --> 00:56:56,130
that your story progresses and you have

1363
00:57:01,339 --> 00:56:59,159
successes I mean maybe that is kind of

1364
00:57:05,059 --> 00:57:01,349
how it works in the trajectory of a

1365
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:05,069
person's career or whatever could be

1366
00:57:11,959 --> 00:57:08,609
affected by just that yeah absolutely I

1367
00:57:13,370 --> 00:57:11,969
mean we're all you know eight billion of

1368
00:57:16,219 --> 00:57:13,380
us or however many there are on the

1369
00:57:18,709 --> 00:57:16,229
planet right now and again assuming that

1370
00:57:21,609 --> 00:57:18,719
we all have for you we'll there could be

1371
00:57:24,169 --> 00:57:21,619
some zombies walking around out there

1372
00:57:26,539 --> 00:57:24,179
that far but assuming that we all have

1373
00:57:30,409 --> 00:57:26,549
free will in individuated consciousness

1374
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:30,419
we've got this you know amazingly

1375
00:57:37,759 --> 00:57:34,799
complex set of intense and desires and

1376
00:57:40,729 --> 00:57:37,769
things that all work together and the

1377
00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:40,739
system has to be incredibly complex to

1378
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:42,900
make sense of it all it can kind of wash

1379
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:44,729
it all out there nobody gets anything

1380
00:57:50,179 --> 00:57:47,599
that they want or it could be sort of

1381
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,189
random and say everybody gets a couple

1382
00:57:54,620 --> 00:57:52,079
of things that they want every once in a

1383
00:57:57,259 --> 00:57:54,630
while but it's much more nuanced and

1384
00:58:00,199 --> 00:57:57,269
much more complex than that so when

1385
00:58:03,739 --> 00:58:00,209
people have a strong will to do

1386
00:58:06,109 --> 00:58:03,749
something and believe in it you know I

1387
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:06,119
think that's the that's the force

1388
00:58:09,499 --> 00:58:07,890
it makes it manifest that makes it

1389
00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:09,509
happen you know you believed in your

1390
00:58:13,249 --> 00:58:11,190
podcast you've got a little bit of

1391
00:58:15,230 --> 00:58:13,259
feedback that kept you believing you

1392
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:15,240
know and it grew from there and and now

1393
00:58:20,359 --> 00:58:17,249
it's influencing other people and so

1394
00:58:23,690 --> 00:58:20,369
it's it's it's taken off my first book

1395
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,700
was a surprise to me that it did as well

1396
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,680
as it did and got as many sort of

1397
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:27,359
adherents and people talking about

1398
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:30,690
things you know between that and Tom

1399
00:58:35,989 --> 00:58:32,730
Campbell's book and some things that

1400
00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:35,999
Brian remembered last name from New

1401
00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:39,420
Zealand had written a Nick Bostrom you

1402
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:41,849
know there's only a few of us 10 years

1403
00:58:45,710 --> 00:58:43,650
ago that we're writing about this kind

1404
00:58:49,579 --> 00:58:45,720
of stuff now you see articles in

1405
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:49,589
Newsweek and science today and basically

1406
00:58:54,620 --> 00:58:51,839
every periodical about you know the

1407
00:58:56,509 --> 00:58:54,630
possibility of simulation and a lot of

1408
00:58:59,089 --> 00:58:56,519
universities are having digital

1409
00:59:01,609 --> 00:58:59,099
philosophy departments now and it just

1410
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:01,619
totally taken off but because of us or

1411
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:03,210
was it because of you know the watch

1412
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:05,249
house keeper others movie or was it

1413
00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:07,710
because of Phillip a Dick's ideas 30

1414
00:59:11,539 --> 00:59:09,990
years ago or what it's really hard to

1415
00:59:14,029 --> 00:59:11,549
say I don't think anybody should ever

1416
00:59:15,769 --> 00:59:14,039
take credit for any of it but you know

1417
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:15,779
it's this complex confluence of things

1418
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:17,730
that has really changed the way we look

1419
00:59:23,630 --> 00:59:21,839
at things mm-hmm and I definitely don't

1420
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:23,640
mean to bore people with a conversation

1421
00:59:28,009 --> 00:59:26,130
about how well we're doing but I just

1422
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:28,019
think if we're trying to find something

1423
00:59:32,660 --> 00:59:30,210
that you know people can use in their

1424
00:59:37,069 --> 00:59:32,670
own lives it's kind of a jailbreak in a

1425
00:59:39,259 --> 00:59:37,079
sense that maybe we walked into as say

1426
00:59:42,259 --> 00:59:39,269
independent media figures broadly

1427
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,269
because compare that journey to the

1428
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:45,119
journey of someone in middle management

1429
00:59:50,239 --> 00:59:47,730
at Verizon how many people are

1430
00:59:52,579 --> 00:59:50,249
concentrating on your success versus how

1431
00:59:54,620 --> 00:59:52,589
many people in that microcosm actually

1432
00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:54,630
don't want your success they want your

1433
00:59:59,960 --> 00:59:56,940
job they want that promotion over you

1434
01:00:02,539 --> 00:59:59,970
think about the resistance to climbing a

1435
01:00:06,109 --> 01:00:02,549
corporate ladder as opposed to creating

1436
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,119
something of your own that other people

1437
01:00:10,579 --> 01:00:07,920
are enjoying and no one can take my

1438
01:00:13,819 --> 01:00:10,589
place no one can write the book for you

1439
01:00:15,289 --> 01:00:13,829
so that's kind of moot but people if

1440
01:00:17,089 --> 01:00:15,299
they enjoy what you're doing and you're

1441
01:00:19,310 --> 01:00:17,099
I guess living your true will to use a

1442
01:00:21,020 --> 01:00:19,320
cliche phrase

1443
01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:21,030
that amplifies everything because it

1444
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:23,880
definitely you can see the dichotomy of

1445
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:25,650
the corporate world and how all these

1446
01:00:27,860 --> 01:00:27,330
mechanisms would be completely out of

1447
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:27,870
whack

1448
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:29,970
yeah and interesting you bring that up

1449
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:32,610
my role in the corporate world is to

1450
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,000
fight against those kinds of ideas fight

1451
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:38,160
against the you know competition for

1452
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:40,410
resources teaching managers how to

1453
01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:43,650
empower the software developers you know

1454
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:46,380
their teams and it's there is huge

1455
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:49,050
resistance to it and there's resistance

1456
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:51,570
to these ideas because of fear you know

1457
01:00:59,450 --> 01:00:54,480
if I'm a manager like these at Verizon

1458
01:01:01,280 --> 01:00:59,460
and my value is in being smart and being

1459
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:01,290
experienced and telling people what to

1460
01:01:05,090 --> 01:01:03,480
do you suddenly tell me that I can't

1461
01:01:07,820 --> 01:01:05,100
tell people what to do that I have to

1462
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:07,830
empower them well that just takes away

1463
01:01:12,740 --> 01:01:09,930
part of what I used to do now what do I

1464
01:01:17,930 --> 01:01:12,750
do and you know showing them a path that

1465
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:17,940
that brings out the best in people is is

1466
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:19,770
a challenging thing you know especially

1467
01:01:26,050 --> 01:01:22,850
when you've spent 30 years living in a

1468
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:26,060
scientific management paradigm

1469
01:01:29,570 --> 01:01:27,930
bureaucratic structures you know

1470
01:01:31,820 --> 01:01:29,580
hierarchical management and things like

1471
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:31,830
that I could go on and on about this but

1472
01:01:35,690 --> 01:01:33,930
you know we've lived that because you

1473
01:01:37,250 --> 01:01:35,700
know our society had the Industrial

1474
01:01:39,050 --> 01:01:37,260
Revolution and there was a period of

1475
01:01:41,540 --> 01:01:39,060
time where factories were the

1476
01:01:43,930 --> 01:01:41,550
predominant those sources of employment

1477
01:01:47,450 --> 01:01:43,940
for people well factories were very

1478
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:47,460
mechanistic kinds of places you know

1479
01:01:51,050 --> 01:01:49,410
this person did that they passed on this

1480
01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:51,060
person assembly lines army had a

1481
01:01:54,740 --> 01:01:53,640
well-defined role and it kind of made

1482
01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:54,750
sense that maybe there were some

1483
01:01:59,780 --> 01:01:57,240
management structures put in place to

1484
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,790
bring out the most efficiency of that

1485
01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:01,440
organization but that's not what

1486
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:03,660
companies are now companies are now

1487
01:02:08,060 --> 01:02:05,760
trying to innovate and they're full of

1488
01:02:09,740 --> 01:02:08,070
creative people and people who are

1489
01:02:12,290 --> 01:02:09,750
thinking freely and trying to

1490
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:12,300
collaborate together and you can't use

1491
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:14,910
the old ways of managing you know

1492
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:17,040
structures and factories on the new

1493
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:19,980
companies and so that's a huge change

1494
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:23,090
that's happening in our corporate world

1495
01:02:28,810 --> 01:02:25,770
well that's a noble goal you have for

1496
01:02:31,820 --> 01:02:28,820
sure I definitely find it harder to

1497
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:31,830
change a corrupt system than it is to

1498
01:02:35,390 --> 01:02:32,880
just

1499
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:35,400
up out of it but obviously we can't do

1500
01:02:39,620 --> 01:02:38,010
that all the time but I would just say

1501
01:02:42,620 --> 01:02:39,630
to people I guess if we understand these

1502
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:42,630
mechanisms try to arrange your life so

1503
01:02:48,620 --> 01:02:44,720
that they work for you rather than

1504
01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:48,630
constantly battling upstream against the

1505
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:51,510
will and manifestation of people in a

1506
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:53,520
competitive environment people have a

1507
01:02:57,650 --> 01:02:55,650
lot of fear about taking a leap to doing

1508
01:03:00,620 --> 01:02:57,660
something that is maybe a dream of

1509
01:03:03,230 --> 01:03:00,630
theirs hopefully this kind of makes it a

1510
01:03:05,300 --> 01:03:03,240
little bit of a softer landing for

1511
01:03:08,750 --> 01:03:05,310
people I mean I don't know I'm intrigued

1512
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:08,760
by it yeah sure I mean I think Alan watt

1513
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:11,730
had a speech once there are some videos

1514
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:14,700
you can find on YouTube about I think

1515
01:03:18,770 --> 01:03:16,650
the title is something like what would

1516
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:18,780
you do if money were no object and it's

1517
01:03:24,670 --> 01:03:21,480
really very inspiring it's you know the

1518
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:24,680
idea that we build a wall around our

1519
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:27,690
possibilities because we think you have

1520
01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:29,850
to pay our mortgage really pay our bills

1521
01:03:34,190 --> 01:03:31,260
we have to live well we have to do all

1522
01:03:36,260 --> 01:03:34,200
these kinds of things and we you know

1523
01:03:39,230 --> 01:03:36,270
it's human nature to kind of spend what

1524
01:03:41,930 --> 01:03:39,240
you have so we always feel like words

1525
01:03:44,210 --> 01:03:41,940
extremely tight I mean everybody most

1526
01:03:46,850 --> 01:03:44,220
people do anyway but he's saying you

1527
01:03:49,820 --> 01:03:46,860
know if you follow your passion you will

1528
01:03:52,220 --> 01:03:49,830
find a way to make that your life I mean

1529
01:03:56,110 --> 01:03:52,230
I've known people who you know had

1530
01:03:59,420 --> 01:03:56,120
passion about art or music or you know

1531
01:04:02,030 --> 01:03:59,430
animals or whatever it is and if they

1532
01:04:03,590 --> 01:04:02,040
follow that they find a place and it

1533
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:03,600
actually ends up working out and they're

1534
01:04:10,430 --> 01:04:06,720
very happy so the thought that you have

1535
01:04:12,290 --> 01:04:10,440
to be in a rat race and be disappointed

1536
01:04:15,620 --> 01:04:12,300
with your job and your your career

1537
01:04:17,390 --> 01:04:15,630
aspirations not necessarily the case you

1538
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:17,400
know we feel like we have to compete for

1539
01:04:21,590 --> 01:04:20,010
all these resources that we have to

1540
01:04:24,410 --> 01:04:21,600
compete for jobs we have to compete for

1541
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:24,420
homes we have to compete for spouses if

1542
01:04:29,780 --> 01:04:28,170
you you know take the things that we're

1543
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:29,790
talking about today and the things that

1544
01:04:34,460 --> 01:04:32,370
are in my book at more than face value

1545
01:04:35,900 --> 01:04:34,470
you realize there's a bigger purpose and

1546
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:35,910
there's a bigger picture to it and

1547
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:38,460
there's no such thing as competition

1548
01:04:44,270 --> 01:04:41,130
it's not necessary your goal in your

1549
01:04:45,250 --> 01:04:44,280
life is not to accumulate a lot of stuff

1550
01:04:48,340 --> 01:04:45,260
in

1551
01:04:49,870 --> 01:04:48,350
a sit-down to other people because you

1552
01:04:52,060 --> 01:04:49,880
pass on they pass on you live a

1553
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:52,070
different life next time you know it

1554
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:54,110
might be a good thing I suppose to do

1555
01:04:58,930 --> 01:04:56,450
that but it takes away a little bit of

1556
01:05:00,940 --> 01:04:58,940
the competitive edge I think when you

1557
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:00,950
realize that it gives people out of the

1558
01:05:05,470 --> 01:05:03,440
belief traps and it's you know gives

1559
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:05,480
them more of a peaceful harmonious kind

1560
01:05:12,340 --> 01:05:08,720
of point of view here here and cheers to

1561
01:05:14,530 --> 01:05:12,350
that so right on well Jim it is such a

1562
01:05:16,210 --> 01:05:14,540
treat to have you back I suspect you'll

1563
01:05:18,910 --> 01:05:16,220
get a bit more of a response than you

1564
01:05:21,460 --> 01:05:18,920
did six years ago on dear old episode 80

1565
01:05:23,740 --> 01:05:21,470
but thanks for taking the time then and

1566
01:05:25,930 --> 01:05:23,750
now remind the fine folks about your

1567
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:25,940
website or any info about buying the

1568
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:27,440
book that you might want them to have oh

1569
01:05:31,660 --> 01:05:29,690
sure thanks for that opportunity and

1570
01:05:33,700 --> 01:05:31,670
Greg really appreciate it again thanks

1571
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:33,710
for asking me to come on the show you

1572
01:05:37,660 --> 01:05:35,450
know I love being on your show and you

1573
01:05:39,340 --> 01:05:37,670
know I love your topics your audience

1574
01:05:41,290 --> 01:05:39,350
your Bible thing I think it's great

1575
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:41,300
thanks as far as the book I have a

1576
01:05:46,210 --> 01:05:43,280
website the website is the universe

1577
01:05:49,060 --> 01:05:46,220
allcom is a little bit out of date but

1578
01:05:52,180 --> 01:05:49,070
it has a link to my blog on there over

1579
01:05:55,060 --> 01:05:52,190
100 or so blogs posted about various

1580
01:05:57,070 --> 01:05:55,070
things there's a link to the book so

1581
01:05:59,470 --> 01:05:57,080
here are two books the universe solved

1582
01:06:01,120 --> 01:05:59,480
Baloo's the original about 10 years ago

1583
01:06:02,500 --> 01:06:01,130
in digital consciousness if you're going

1584
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:02,510
to pick one bar and pick them more

1585
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:04,250
recent one digital consciousness because

1586
01:06:08,140 --> 01:06:06,170
it you know covers a lot of what the

1587
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:08,150
universe all covers and does it in a

1588
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:10,490
more scientific and with some visual

1589
01:06:14,140 --> 01:06:12,290
models that I think are pretty useful

1590
01:06:16,450 --> 01:06:14,150
then it goes beyond a little bit but the

1591
01:06:18,340 --> 01:06:16,460
first one you know has some provocative

1592
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:18,350
ideas that I didn't repeat as well so

1593
01:06:23,830 --> 01:06:21,410
they're both both okay and you can get

1594
01:06:25,450 --> 01:06:23,840
those on Amazon and order them from any

1595
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:25,460
bookstore most people stores don't carry

1596
01:06:31,030 --> 01:06:28,130
them on the shelves but it's certain to

1597
01:06:33,820 --> 01:06:31,040
be ordered from the stores and there are

1598
01:06:35,950 --> 01:06:33,830
kindle versions of both and new resolv'd

1599
01:06:37,570 --> 01:06:35,960
was converted into germans so that's

1600
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:37,580
available in the German market as well

1601
01:06:40,750 --> 01:06:38,810
awesome

1602
01:06:42,850 --> 01:06:40,760
well I do appreciate what you do

1603
01:06:45,610 --> 01:06:42,860
mind-blowing stuff digital consciousness

1604
01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:45,620
is such a great book as we said the

1605
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:48,950
illusion can be persistent so when it is

1606
01:06:54,370 --> 01:06:50,810
you pull this book out and there's

1607
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:54,380
plenty of studies and data to bring it

1608
01:06:59,200 --> 01:06:56,570
back to the weird side so definitely

1609
01:07:01,000 --> 01:06:59,210
check it out and I'm glad you cracked

1610
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:01,010
man keep doing what you do and take care

1611
01:07:12,420 --> 01:07:09,000
power of Christ compels you people there

1612
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:12,430
it is the long-awaited return of Jim

1613
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:15,520
Elvidge I am definitely happy we had him

1614
01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:18,090
back I like the way he looks at reality

1615
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:20,710
he's not afraid to go after the weird

1616
01:07:25,590 --> 01:07:23,200
stuff and find a way to work it into the

1617
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:25,600
model and he's pretty comfortable with

1618
01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:28,240
even the weirdest of questions from me

1619
01:07:34,740 --> 01:07:31,030
even if they really aren't in his arena

1620
01:07:37,170 --> 01:07:34,750
of study specifically as I kind of

1621
01:07:39,660 --> 01:07:37,180
mentioned his book does hit on a lot of

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01:07:42,540 --> 01:07:39,670
that strange consciousness science and

1623
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:42,550
data that almost defies logic when you

1624
01:07:47,580 --> 01:07:45,280
see some of the results but people are

1625
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:47,590
always sort of saying that you have to

1626
01:07:53,370 --> 01:07:51,310
believe for this stuff to work and it's

1627
01:07:55,980 --> 01:07:53,380
reading about the breakdowns of those

1628
01:07:58,920 --> 01:07:55,990
studies that actually gets me over that

1629
01:08:01,500 --> 01:07:58,930
belief hump I think I'm sure a lot of

1630
01:08:03,090 --> 01:08:01,510
you guys feel the same way at least when

1631
01:08:05,610 --> 01:08:03,100
you read some of that stuff then maybe

1632
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:05,620
you feel like you wouldn't be wasting

1633
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:07,570
your time if you were to put conscious

1634
01:08:11,610 --> 01:08:09,610
attention into certain things or try a

1635
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:11,620
couple of these practices but a bing

1636
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:13,210
bada boom next thing you know you're

1637
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:16,210
changing the world but not only was I

1638
01:08:23,490 --> 01:08:20,080
not really expecting that to be in Jim's

1639
01:08:25,530 --> 01:08:23,500
book he also hits on research I hadn't

1640
01:08:28,110 --> 01:08:25,540
even read about before and it was

1641
01:08:31,050 --> 01:08:28,120
awesome to be able to fold a lot of that

1642
01:08:33,630 --> 01:08:31,060
into this conversation we've heard

1643
01:08:37,140 --> 01:08:33,640
phrases like the earth is a cosmic

1644
01:08:40,379 --> 01:08:37,150
school before so the learning lab is a

1645
01:08:42,510 --> 01:08:40,389
pretty easy concept to grasp

1646
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:42,520
but it's the way he conceptualizes

1647
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:44,770
consciousness interacting with the

1648
01:08:50,879 --> 01:08:47,650
learning lab that really ties it all

1649
01:08:53,370 --> 01:08:50,889
together though so I would expect THD

1650
01:08:56,370 --> 01:08:53,380
fans to like a show like this every once

1651
01:08:58,620 --> 01:08:56,380
in a while a guest whose focus is on

1652
01:09:00,620 --> 01:08:58,630
trying to map and model our reality

1653
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:00,630
using all the available information

1654
01:09:05,609 --> 01:09:03,489
building a picture that does actually

1655
01:09:07,169 --> 01:09:05,619
include a lot of the things that have

1656
01:09:10,050 --> 01:09:07,179
been left out of the model they

1657
01:09:13,019 --> 01:09:10,060
construct for the masses because we've

1658
01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:13,029
seen the declassified CIA documents that

1659
01:09:19,379 --> 01:09:16,270
prove their construct of reality looks a

1660
01:09:22,890 --> 01:09:19,389
lot more like Jim's than reycarts Wiles

1661
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:22,900
and it has for decades but they're more

1662
01:09:28,169 --> 01:09:25,600
than happy to prop up these false idols

1663
01:09:30,059 --> 01:09:28,179
and let you think that these are the

1664
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:30,069
brightest minds of our time that these

1665
01:09:36,510 --> 01:09:33,759
guys have all the answers meanwhile we

1666
01:09:38,879 --> 01:09:36,520
see occult aspects of the Empire and

1667
01:09:41,789 --> 01:09:38,889
massive amounts of symbol usage and

1668
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,799
perception management so it seems like

1669
01:09:46,559 --> 01:09:43,839
their concept is a bit different - and

1670
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:46,569
we really are playing catch-up when it

1671
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:49,449
comes to knowing who we are or where we

1672
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:52,449
are why we are these are the biggest

1673
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:55,840
secrets of the system right I care way

1674
01:10:01,709 --> 01:09:58,960
more about that stuff than I do who the

1675
01:10:03,810 --> 01:10:01,719
president was mean to this week

1676
01:10:06,299 --> 01:10:03,820
the whole thing's a goddamn mystery

1677
01:10:08,759 --> 01:10:06,309
although I do think we get closer and

1678
01:10:12,179 --> 01:10:08,769
have a clearer picture as we whittle

1679
01:10:14,339 --> 01:10:12,189
down our own models but it's still our

1680
01:10:18,830 --> 01:10:14,349
best guess and we are kind of on our own

1681
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:18,840
because nowhere in mainstream culture

1682
01:10:25,890 --> 01:10:21,840
are we having this conversation it's

1683
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:25,900
quick and sad we can debate who knows

1684
01:10:30,810 --> 01:10:28,329
what but it's no secret that the masses

1685
01:10:34,020 --> 01:10:30,820
are steered away from ever even really

1686
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:34,030
considering the big picture so we owe it

1687
01:10:38,669 --> 01:10:36,400
to ourselves to explore as much of it as

1688
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:38,679
we can without being initiated into

1689
01:10:43,739 --> 01:10:42,010
secret orders or having the lock code to

1690
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:43,749
the Vatican archives and being able to

1691
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:47,530
crack open privileged information so to

1692
01:10:53,939 --> 01:10:50,320
me what Jim does which really just seems

1693
01:10:57,779 --> 01:10:53,949
to be a pure passion is actually also a

1694
01:11:00,179 --> 01:10:57,789
real service to humanity and as he said

1695
01:11:03,629 --> 01:11:00,189
he's not claiming all these ideas are

1696
01:11:05,729 --> 01:11:03,639
original or completely new or unique but

1697
01:11:08,819 --> 01:11:05,739
he's pulling together a lot of the off

1698
01:11:11,879 --> 01:11:08,829
the radar clues a lot of indigenous

1699
01:11:15,299 --> 01:11:11,889
knowledge or very long-standing Eastern

1700
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:15,309
spirituality traditions a lot of modern

1701
01:11:19,770 --> 01:11:17,530
science as well and saying with the info

1702
01:11:23,939 --> 01:11:19,780
we have right now this is what it looks

1703
01:11:25,379 --> 01:11:23,949
like and I appreciate that if I had to

1704
01:11:27,659 --> 01:11:25,389
guess one of the first things you learn

1705
01:11:30,899 --> 01:11:27,669
about when you see a secret society

1706
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:30,909
degree that matters is this very kind of

1707
01:11:34,799 --> 01:11:33,130
stuff forget what you've been told

1708
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:34,809
here's the real deal with this life

1709
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:37,360
thing and I think the more you

1710
01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:41,650
understand a model like Jim's it's not

1711
01:11:46,350 --> 01:11:44,289
hard to walk it backwards and see why it

1712
01:11:48,839 --> 01:11:46,360
would be kept behind the curtain and how

1713
01:11:52,529 --> 01:11:48,849
the control structure achieves its goals

1714
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:52,539
in a lot of ways but it seems that since

1715
01:11:57,449 --> 01:11:54,249
that last interview he's had several

1716
01:12:00,449 --> 01:11:57,459
more years to dig and flesh out the big

1717
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:00,459
ideas and I was definitely captivated by

1718
01:12:05,549 --> 01:12:03,130
the book and the conversation I actually

1719
01:12:07,739 --> 01:12:05,559
have a very big guest coming up that

1720
01:12:11,009 --> 01:12:07,749
also is known for his understanding of

1721
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:11,019
reality we've talked about his work with

1722
01:12:15,580 --> 01:12:12,880
a guest before but I never thought we'd

1723
01:12:18,010 --> 01:12:15,590
be able to get the man himself

1724
01:12:20,860 --> 01:12:18,020
but it fell right into my lap thanks to

1725
01:12:23,410 --> 01:12:20,870
that previous guest and will keep

1726
01:12:25,570 --> 01:12:23,420
referring to him as holo fractal Joe

1727
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:25,580
just to give you a little clue there for

1728
01:12:30,370 --> 01:12:27,290
the people who are pretty familiar with

1729
01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:30,380
the THC archive but I am really looking

1730
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:33,110
forward to that one as well of course

1731
01:12:38,110 --> 01:12:35,450
with this show and every show I do the

1732
01:12:40,990 --> 01:12:38,120
first hour is free it's out there no ads

1733
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:41,000
no [\h__\h] just for you to enjoy and

1734
01:12:45,970 --> 01:12:43,850
hopefully if you like what I do you come

1735
01:12:48,010 --> 01:12:45,980
over to the higher side chats Plus and

1736
01:12:50,860 --> 01:12:48,020
you sign up for the full two hours

1737
01:12:53,980 --> 01:12:50,870
shebang an extra hour with every guest

1738
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:53,990
and in this episode with Jim some of the

1739
01:12:59,980 --> 01:12:56,650
things we talked about were the

1740
01:13:02,590 --> 01:12:59,990
resisting and restricting of new models

1741
01:13:05,170 --> 01:13:02,600
we see in the scientific community how

1742
01:13:07,630 --> 01:13:05,180
many standard theories actually fail to

1743
01:13:10,540 --> 01:13:07,640
meet the criteria set up for scientific

1744
01:13:13,180 --> 01:13:10,550
acceptance what memories really are

1745
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:13,190
where they're stored Jim's thoughts on

1746
01:13:19,060 --> 01:13:15,410
the Mandela effect phenomenon and how he

1747
01:13:22,510 --> 01:13:19,070
explains it pyramids in the potential to

1748
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:22,520
enhance consciousness effects and the

1749
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:25,130
age-old question of if royal families or

1750
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:27,440
secret societies have ever jailbroken

1751
01:13:32,770 --> 01:13:30,110
the Learning Lab is it even possible of

1752
01:13:35,220 --> 01:13:32,780
course for better or worse that's where

1753
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:35,230
my mind goes

1754
01:13:39,810 --> 01:13:37,120
but I really had a great time in higher

1755
01:13:42,419 --> 01:13:39,820
side news the website consolidation is

1756
01:13:45,180 --> 01:13:42,429
still happening on August 5th watch your

1757
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:45,190
bookmarks and RSS feeds for any hiccups

1758
01:13:50,189 --> 01:13:47,890
or changes but I'm sure it will be fine

1759
01:13:53,130 --> 01:13:50,199
we'll be well past the rough space

1760
01:13:55,890 --> 01:13:53,140
weather at that point and I guess it's

1761
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:55,900
just a waiting game till then of course

1762
01:14:00,030 --> 01:13:58,000
it got one more show coming out in the

1763
01:14:02,970 --> 01:14:00,040
next 48 hours and then we can call it a

1764
01:14:04,860 --> 01:14:02,980
wrap on July but I'll see you then

1765
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:04,870
big thanks again to Jim for bringing the

1766
01:14:08,669 --> 01:14:06,730
heat I've done my part

1767
01:14:10,860 --> 01:14:08,679
your move consciousness deceivers

1768
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:10,870
reality concealers and keepers of the

1769
01:14:18,839 --> 01:14:14,370
secrets behind the big curtain your

1770
01:14:23,679 --> 01:14:18,849
[Music]

1771
01:14:26,590 --> 01:14:23,689
sweet dreams do the ollie were kind of

1772
01:14:31,380 --> 01:14:26,600
my auntie

1773
01:14:34,339 --> 01:14:31,390
uncovering secrets and conspiracies

1774
01:14:39,020 --> 01:14:34,349
everybody's loved you

1775
01:14:43,129 --> 01:14:39,030
some of them want to use you some of

1776
01:14:47,899 --> 01:14:43,139
them want to get used by you some of

1777
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:47,909
them want to abuse you some of them want

1778
01:15:03,920 --> 01:14:52,210
to be abused

1779
01:15:15,630 --> 01:15:07,450
[Music]

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01:15:23,010 --> 01:15:15,640
[Applause]